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Another Look at Gaza

A lot of formerly conservative and reasonable political types have decided to blame Isreal for the chaos in the Middle East. It is fashionable. All the “cool kids” seem to be supporting the side that started the most recent battle in the region.

Notably, the great majority of them hold these two positions simultaneously: 1, Ukraine should fight hard against Russia until they win, no matter the cost. And, 2, Israel needs to be calm, measured, and proportionate in their response, while bearing all accountability for the suffering in the region. Got it?
It is hard to imagine an explanation for this other than antisemitism. Give us a better explanation. We’ll wait.
With respect to all those who carry a different viewpoint, the trend today is to blame Israel for a problem started by Hamas. And these positions are justified by believing reports on Israel that come from Hamas. It is as if we believed the mafia dons instead of the DOJ.
Hamas and their allies, including dreck like AOC and Omar and Sanders and Harris, justify and build support for Hamas while ignoring our long-time ally in Israel.
This just in: war is bad. Innocent people die. That is not the fault of Israel. It was true when the Allies bombed Dresdent and Hiroshima, and it is true when they attack Gaza City.

One solution, of course, for people who don’t like civilian casualties would be for them to not massacre innocents themselves. Israel did not attack Hamas October 7. Hamas attacked Israel, and there should be a massive price. For me, I can justify wiping out Hamas leadership and fighters, permanently, without apology. They have lost their seat at the table of reasonable debate.
Have you heard the mindless ranting that “war never solves anything?” BS. It is often the very thing that solves problems.

Were the Nazis a problem? Of course. WW II solved it. And a ton of non-military casualties was part of the price we paid.
One assumes the people wadding their panties about possilbe civilian starvation – we actually don’t know how many people are starving, or why – would have opposed the ending of WW II because we bombed civilians. To say otherwise would be hypocritical.
No one is targeting civilians. Well, Hamas does, in a sense, by way of hiding behind them or under buildings where women and children are used by human shields.
Hamas started it, they are evil, they are among the most cruel and despicable governing bodies extant. (Name one that is worse. North Korea, maybe?) They are dedicated to wiping out all Jews, and America in the bargain. And people like Biden and AOC and Harris carry their water for them. And the Democrat Party has nominated a man devoted to wiping out Jews, and Americans, to be mayor of our largest city.
No one likes to have civilian casualties, which is one of many reasons our president is trying to end it. But implying Israelis are targeting reporters or children is irresponsible. And false. There is no accurate and credible information coming out of Gaza except possibly that from Israelis forces, American intelligence, and NGOs. And nearly all NGOs say Israel is not preventing food and other aid from getting to Gaza. But once there, Hamas leadership steals or misappropriates it.

It is up to you if you want to trust people who live streamed themselves raping, torturing, and massacring innocent people. If you give Hamas your loyalty or trust, God help you.

The food being distributed in Gaza gets there with the assistance of the Israelis and international aid organizations. Those same organizations deny the charges of Israeli genocide against Gaza. Genocide is the planned extermination, as a matter of policy, of a group of people. That is simply not what is happening in Gaza.

No sane person can blame Israel for the inexcusable ways Hamas treats its own people. They keep them unsafe, hungry, and in harm’s way. It isn’t you, me, or Benjamin Netanyahu.

BTW, there is no nation called Palestine, and never has been. A two-state solution has been offered repeatedly and rejected by the Arabs, including Hamas. And if there ever are two such states, one of them might be called Palestine. Fine. I couldn’t care less what they call it. But the often-repeated fiction is that the land from which Israel was formed was taken from a nation called Palestine. That just isn’t true. But you even hear U. S. representatives saying it.

“Palestinians” is a term that is widely used today because it was promoted by Yassar Arafat. He needed a good way to brand anti-Israel radicals. Thus the “PLO” cane to be. Which isn’t to say he invented the term, of course. But he recognized the value in seizing on an old term to represent a current cohort.
Today, millions of people want to “return” the “Palestinians” to a nation that has never existed. It is astounding how much world history is forged by false impressions and propaganda.

BTW, even major Arab nations in the region – Egypt, Jordan, for example – don’t want Hamas/Gazans. Egypt has a wall to keep them out that is bigger and more effective than anything we have on our Southern border. Arab nations won’t even allow Gazans in. Why do you think that is? Is it because the Gazans are loving, innocent people, blameless in it all, who just want rainbows and unicorns for a peaceful world?

Some, not all, of the Hamas apologists mean well. But sometimes the world offers moral clarity. This is such a time.

People who buy into all the anti-Israel garbage are doing the bidding of today’s Nazis. We need to pick a side, and they’ve picked the bad guys. Sorry to be so blunt, and nothing personal, but the anti-Israel propaganda machine has worked on a lot of otherwise intelligent and principled people.

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The U.S. has No Obligation to Liberate Iran

By J Robert Smith

  • June 19, 2025
  • 2-min read

So, I have a piece running at American Thinker today. If you have a few minutes, check it out. The takeaway is this:

In the main, Americans favor ending Iran’s nuclear weapons ambitions even if that requires limited military action. They prefer negotiations to work, though. But they don’t want another regime change war. Not in Iran, not anywhere. No more occupations. They’ve seen enough blood spilled and treasure squandered in Iraq, Afghanistan, and long distant Vietnam — all fruitless and costly ventures.

Older and now current polling is clear: Americans don’t want the Iranians to possess nuclear weapons. They rightly view such as a threat to U.S. national security. They’ll tolerate or accept limited military action to destroy or cripple Iran’s nuclear weapons program, but they want nothing to do with a regime change war. Who does? Have failures in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam – the latter two catastrophic – taught us nothing?

Moreover, it didn’t require a lot of deep research to learn that the President of the United States opposes regime change wars. Donald Trump has been thoroughly consistent in his opposition to toppling governments and nation-building exercises. Both are championed by neocons, who haven’t met a war they didn’t want the U.S. involved in.

Neocons love cloaking U.S. interventions that they push in high moral tones. We have to “protect democracy” is one of their favorites. Like in Ukraine, where “democracy” doesn’t look much like democracy. After suspending elections, among other anti-liberty actions, Zelenskyy performs like an authoritarian.

Or, we have a moral obligation to “liberate” enslaved peoples. No, we don’t. As the founders proclaimed – particularly Washington – our obligation is to be a light in a dark world. There are a lot of bad players across the globe. The U.S. is supposed to hopscotch from country to country fighting wars of liberation? At what costs? There aren’t enough challenges at home? How many parents must bury their sons and daughters to serve these endless, “noble” causes?

More practical minded neocons claim it’s in America’s national security interests to fight the enemy in Afghanistan, for example. It saves Americans from fighting enemies here at home. Since Biden’s disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, where in the U.S. have there been pitched battles with the Taliban? We’ve been hearing that balderdash since Vietnam.

No doubt about it, America’s leaders have a principal obligation to protect the homeland from threats, foreign and domestic. But not from ginned up threats. America shouldn’t be in the business of wars of aggrandizement. Its fighting men and women aren’t fodder for military brass to buff-up their resumés. The U.S. shouldn’t go to war to increase revenue streams for defense contractors.

If you don’t believe me, listen to Donald Trump and talk to your friends and neighbors.

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How to Stop Iran’s Assassination Attempts on Trump

By J Robert Smith

  • Sept. 25, 2024
  • 3-min read

Tuesday night on X, former President Trump issued a statement that the Iranians have made failed attempts on his life. He said they’re expected to keep at it. “Not a good situation,” wrote Trump. Not only do the Iranians fear Trump’s election, but they want to disrupt the autumn elections. True election interference is in the works. Here’s Trump’s statement in its entirety.

NBC News reported on Tuesday night:

“President Trump was briefed earlier today by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence regarding real and specific threats from Iran to assassinate him in an effort to destabilize and sow chaos in the United States,” spokesperson Steven Cheung said in a statement.

“Intelligence officials have identified that these continued and coordinated attacks have heightened in the past few months, and law enforcement officials across all agencies are working to ensure President Trump is protected and the election is free from interference.”

Of course, we wonder if the Biden administration has the backbone to sic the dogs on the Iranians. The only way to deal with a nation that sponsors terrorist outfits across the globe is harshly, unforgivingly. The Iranians should be told in no uncertain terms to call back their assassins or assassination teams. If not, we’ll deploy our own teams or set in motion other means of decapitating Iran’s leadership.

Mossad (Israel’s intelligence service) is widely suspected to have killed Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh while he was attending the swearing in of Iran’s new president, Masoud Pezeshkian, in Teheran. Per CNN, Haniyeh was killed “using an explosive device that had been covertly hidden in the guest house where he was staying [.]”

If the Israelis can reach into Iran to kill a high-ranking Hamas leader, they could kill members of Iran’s leadership. U.S. leaders should make the Iranians aware that they’ll work with the Israelis (and others) to kill their leaders if assassination efforts aimed at Trump – or any other American politician – don’t cease immediately. Violence – or the threat of it – is the only language the mullahs understand.

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Many Americans are Siding with Hamas, Today’s “Nazis”

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By Rob Meyne

  • June 21, 2024
  • 4-min read

Neither side of any dispute is perfect. But some choices are clear.

The Middle East is a battle of good vs. evil.

Even if there is some blame on both sides, there can be a clear bottom line. This is such a case.

If you don’t recognize that Israel is, by far, the more noble, decent, and admirable player in this conflict, there is no hope for you.

  • America’s colleges and universities have this year been full of pro-Hamas demonstrators. Yet, if you watch interviews with them, you will see most of these protestors, in most cases, are not students and don’t know WHY they are protesting.
  • About 20% of all Democratic voters say they support Hamas. That is astounding. Every time you hear the word “Hamas,” think “Nazi.” They are indistinguishable. How can a fifth of average American Democrats support terrorists?
  • Recall that, last fall, the U. S. House took a vote to condemn the Hamas terrorist attack of October 7. Sixteen Democrats could not even vote to condemn the attacks. If you can’t condemn terrorist attacks you are an evil hypocrite and on the side of today’s Nazis, aka Hamas.
  • A formerly cognizant old friend writes that the Netanyahu government massacred some aid workers and was either fine with it or it was intentional. Nonsense. You may remember Biden’s government slaughtered a group of aid workers in the wake of his shameful Afghanistan retreat. Did Biden do it intentionally? I don’t think so. They are just inept.
  • Remember as demonstrators ask for freedom for Palestine…. There is no such nation and never has been. (You can find sources for yourself. But this tip: go to some that are neutral, non-political, such as the WorldAtlas.com. It is much like sex: you can claim you are a woman, but if you have a Y chromosome, you are not. You can also call any area on the planet, or on another, “Palestine,” but that doesn’t make it so.)
  • The term Palestinian wasn’t even widely used until after the creation of modern Israel. Arafat later popularized the term as essentially a branding effort for radical Muslims under the PLO banner. (Note, there are a ton of countries that “recognize” Palestine, although there isn’t even a land mass designated as such, as a way of showing their support for Muslim extremists. They can call it “Mordor” or “Atlantis” if they want, but it doesn’t make it legal or factually true.)
  • Palestine (since it didn’t exist) was not eliminated or bifurcated with the creation of Israel. Of course, Palestine, being non-existent, is also not subverted by Israel.
  • The area the “Palestinians” claim are basically Gaza and the West Bank. Neither is ruled by Israel.
  • There is no apartheid. Israel doesn’t run Gaza. Hamas does. There are even Muslim/Arab members of the Knesset, Israel’s unicameral version of Congress.
  • Muslims are free to fully participate in life in Israel. How welcome do you think Jews are in Gaza?
  • Gazans voted for Hamas, a terrorist organization, to be their rulers. And Hamas, in its foundational documents, committed itself to wiping out Israel.
  • A majority of Gazans surveyed say they support terrorism, support the attacks of October 7, and support wiping out Israel. They do not want peace. They want war, victory, and have opposed a two-state solution numerous times.
  • It is especially disgusting to hear the pro-Hamas/Nazi officials (which includes Biden, by the way) worried about Israel committing genocide. That is just obscene. The Israeli military even routinely notifies communities in Gaza they are planning on attacking, so the civilians can get out. Meanwhile, Hamas uses their own women and children as human shields. Which side values life?
  • Finally, remember the U. S. is funding Hamas and other terrorists. Your tax dollars are funding the weapons Hamas uses to kill Israelis and many Americans. Are you OK with that? The U. S. has given billions to Iran, which funds Hamas; given $ 6 B in ransom; and just gave $ 9 B out of the massive military funding bill to Hamas.
  • There is no such thing as giving money to another nation and ensuring it is spent on humanitarian aid. We do not control how the money is spent. Once it is there, it is fungible. For years, money that has been given to Hamas for supposedly “humanitarian” purposes has been diverted to terrorism. Hamas even posted videos of them using water pipe, provided to help deliver lifesaving water to civilians, to make rockets.

Your choice, for president, is to vote for a man Netanyahu calls the best friend Israel has ever had in the White House, or to vote for a guy who criticizes Israel and sends money to Hamas. Your choice could not be clearer.

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A Right to Voice Antisemitism?

By J Robert Smith

  • May 2, 2024
  • 6-min read

The Daily Wire’s Matt Walsh (he of “What is a Woman” fame) aired a segment from his show last week at X. Walsh addressed Governor Greg Abbott’s crackdown on anti-Israeli/pro-Hamas protests at Texas colleges. Abbott declared, in effect, that there wasn’t room in the Lone Star State for antisemites. In fact, yes, there is.

As odious as antisemitism is, Americans have rights to be antisemitic – anti-Christian, anti-Muslim, anti-white, anti-black, anti-homosexual, anti-heterosexual. You get the point. We have rights to our prejudices no matter how vile. Moreover, we have a right to public expression of those biases. We’re free to assemble with likeminded people so long as assemblies are peaceful and laws are obeyed. On the other hand, we’re free to condemn bigots and haters. We should. We can gather publicly to do so if we care to.

Eruptions of lawlessness and violence at Columbia, Harvard, and UCLA in the last 48 hours underscore that protesters had no interest in civil demonstrations. Threats and acts of intimidation toward Jewish students are appalling. Arrests have been made and charges filed. Penalties should be stiff, though societal permissiveness and affluent parents’ checkbooks are likely to shield student-violators from tough consequences.

But, mind you, mass arrests haven’t happened because students expressed a noxious mix of antisemitism and pro-Hamas sentiments. They acted criminally.

Here’s Abbott’s statement, posted at X, that Walsh reacted to:

“Arrests being made right now & will continue until the crowd disperses. These protesters belong in jail. Antisemitism will not be tolerated in Texas. Period. Students joining in hate-filled, antisemitic protests at any public college or university in Texas should be expelled.”

Abbott’s declaration swings and misses, unless he meant to grandstand. While condemning students’ antisemitism, he skipped mentioning lawbreaking. Was Abbott playing to the passions of the moment? Was he simply venting his own disgust?

Perhaps Abbott assumed that the public understood? He’d enforce the law and restore order, not deprive anyone of their rights. But when passions run high, clearer language is required.

Protesters don’t belong in jail for repugnant speech. But when speech crosses a line – threatening violence toward persons – protections are forfeited. Real violence – harming persons, property destruction, and/or causing mayhem – are felonies. There are also misdemeanor infractions like trespassing. Columbia University failed to deal swiftly with lawbreakers. The consequence was to embolden lawbreaking on campus.

Under Ron DeSantis’ leadership, the University of Florida laid down clear ground rules for protests. The university issued a statement defining boundaries.

The Citizen Free Press posted the university’s statement at its X account. The statement listed dos and don’ts for protesters. It made clear that lawbreaking and/or failure to comply with the institution’s rules would result in penalties. Under the header, “Consequences for Noncompliance,” the statement read that “[i]ndividuals found responsible for engaging in prohibited activities shall be trespassed from the campus. Students will receive a three year trespass and suspension. Employees will be trespassed and separated from employment.” Florida State troopers and campus police haven’t hesitated cracking down on violators.

The University of Florida’s directive addressed acceptable and prohibited behavior. It didn’t address cause for protest. Not that leaders should remain mum in the face of vitriol directed at Jews or others. There’s a moral imperative to speak up. But upholding the law is a governor’s chief obligation.

Should college students be expelled for joining hate-filled protests on campuses, as Abbott recommends? Should peaceful antisemitic crowds be disperse for hate speech? What is “hate speech?” Who makes the determination?

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You Support Israel or You Defend Evil – Choose One

By Rob Meyne

  • Nov. 24, 2023
  • 5-min read

Hamas, which is both a terrorist organization and the ruling body of Gaza, on October 7 conducted the biggest act of terrorism targeting Jewish people since the Holocaust. It was the bloodiest, most tragic act of its kind in our lifetimes.

In terms of pure hatred, Hamas and its sycophants have delivered something we have not seen since 911 or the Holocaust. Anyone who doesn’t instantly recognize that has given up their place at the table of rational debate.
Hamas launched an unprovoked assault on ordinary people, not in response to any actions by Israel, and did not target government or military targets. They tortured average citizens, killed them, and took them hostage. Their victims included many Americans.

Israel is our closest ally, and the only real democracy, in the region. They are longtime friends with whom we have officially been aligned since their founding. At one time, a huge majority of Americans supported Israel. Many still do, but it is changing.

The Hamas assault may prove to be one of the events we look back on someday and say, “how did we not rise and stop this once and for all?” If we do not recognize the need to stand as one in support of what is good, decent, and righteous, we may be dooming our world to further suffering that would have been preventable had we just done that right thing.

Thousands have rallied to show their support for Hamas, and their hatred of Israel. Don’t be mistaken. There is no middle ground on October 7 and the Israeli response: either you recognize the Palestinian/Arab attack as an indefensible act of pure evil, or you equivocate and grasp for ways to minimize and excuse it. Many in the Democratic leadership have done just that. Notably, not a single nationally prominent Republican has defended Hamas.

Hamas apologists and supporters, in the U. S. and around the globe, have already gotten to work spinning the news and rewriting history in a way that justifies the Palestinians explicit endorsement of genocide.

Yet no reasonable person can support them at this point. Women were gang raped to the point of having their pelvises shattered. Babies were thrown into ovens, burned alive, or beheaded. Jews and Americans were burned in their homes, shot or beaten to death, and taken hostage. Depending on what survey you look at, something like a quarter or more of Americans openly support Hamas.

Hamas stands sharply against everything Americans have traditionally believed in. Millions of Americans apparently no longer share those values. But if you still place a high priority on mercy, kindness, decency, freedom, and the value of life you cannot support Hamas.

In Washington, sixteen Democratic members of the House did not vote for a simple resolution condemning Hamas and the terrorist attacks. (One GOP member did not support it.) About 12% of the entire Democratic caucus could not agree that terrorism and terrorists are bad. No wonder their party can’t define what is a woman, thinks men can have babies, and believes everyone who isn’t a white male is a victim.

Biden supports a cease fire, which is what Hamas wants. It would give Hamas time to regroup and defend itself. And there are presently periodic pauses to allow the movement of hostages or humanitarian acts.

Yet where does it end? Will continued pauses bring an end to the Hamas reign of terror? No. Cease fires will only guarantee survival of the terrorists. Only letting Israel do its job can lead to an end of the war and the kind of peace that only comes after victory.

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DC Lifers want Gaza Ceasefire; Where were they with Ukraine?

By J Robert Smith

  • Nov. 14, 2023
  • 3-min read

Per Y! News, November 14:

More than 400 political appointees and staff members representing some 40 government agencies sent a letter to President Joe Biden on Tuesday protesting his support of Israel in its war in the Gaza Strip.

Oh, yeah? So, where have these DC lifers been when it comes to Ukraine? Since the Russian invasion happened in February 2022, mum’s been the word. If estimates are true, anywhere from 400,000-650,000 Ukrainian combatants have lost their lives in that misbegotten conflict. Millions of Ukrainians have fled their country, living as refugees in Central Europe.

Russia has lost 50,000 soldiers by some counts.

Ukraine’s summer offensive pushed by the Biden administration proved a tragic bust. Ukraine has spent itself. It didn’t have to be this way.

Whatever the propaganda from Ukraine and the U.S., the Russians didn’t want war. Putin wanted a negotiated settlement. His primary ask was that Ukraine not join NATO… that Ukraine position itself as unaligned. Period.

At first, the Ukrainians were open to the idea, but Biden’s handlers insisted otherwise. They convinced Zelenskyy to fight. The U.S. would give his regime full backing, including billions of dollars in aid. We’ve learned since that an untold amount of that money was siphoned off and pocketed by By generals and bureaucrats. Corruption is rife in Ukraine.

And let’s not forget that U.S. defense contractors are turning tidy profits off the war.

So, the war happened, but not once – not once – did the usual DC suspects send a letter to Biden calling for a halt to the killing and destruction in Ukraine.

But now they send a letter to Biden asking that his administration insist that Israel halt it’s offensive in Gaza … that humanitarian aid be rendered the Palestinians. Never mind that Hamas leaders are worth billions of dollars.

From NewsNation via MSN:

(NewsNation) — While the people of Gaza are struggling for food, water and medical care, Hamas’ wealthy leadership lives luxuriously in Qatar, according to Israeli officials.

The terrorist group has ruled the Gaza Strip since 2007 after winning parliamentary elections and violently seizing control from the internationally recognized Palestinian Authority.

Now, its top three leaders are worth over $11 billion together, according to reports confirmed by the U.S. Treasury.

While there is a web of men who lead the terror organization, Abu Marzouk, Khaled Mashaal and Ismail Haniyeh are the primary heads, each worth billions. Haniyeh, the “prime minister,” does not live in Gaza and allegedly flies between Turkey and Qatar in a private jet.

So, why this side of the Suez Canal should the U.S. send humanitarian aid to Gaza when Hamas leaders are sitting on billions of dollars in fortunes? Where’s the concern for their fellow Palestinians?

Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu insists that the war in Gaza will continue until Hamas is effectively wiped out. He’s not wrong to do so. If similar gruesome attacks had occurred in the U.S. by a (fill in the blank) terrorist group, what do you think our response would be? Would it be unlike the Israelis?

The only way the Israelis should settle is if Hamas is forced from Gaza for good with ironclad guarantees that Hamas or like terrorist outfits will be kept out. The Israelis must be permitted to police Gaza.

Israel is right to wage war. Hamas demonstrated that it’ll engage any savagery to kill Israelis. “No more” is Netanyahu’s cry. As it should be.

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Two Fools: Tlaib and Graham

By J Robert Smith

  • Oct. 16, 2023
  • 4-min read

Last week, after Hamas attacked Israeli civilians, welcomed words of sympathy and support poured forth for Israel from Americans. Prominent Americans doing so included politicians, of course, though a good many Democrats were mute. Their quiet was reminiscent of 2020, when BLM and Antifa stoked “George Floyd” riots ran riot in Democrat-run cities. Silence is a form of consent.

Some, like Rashida Tlaib, a Detroit congresswoman – and notoriously, vehemently anti-Israel – couldn’t bring herself to answer a simple question from Fox News reporter Hillary Vaughn about those valiant Hamas terrorists butchering Israeli infants. Why, a five-year-old would have had no difficulty condemning such an act. But for Tlaib, judging by her silence, the question was fraught with circuit-overloading complexity. Or maybe it was just a case of quiet approval?

In the last couple of days, under withering criticism – and a possible House censure vote – Tlaib is backpedaling. But, heck, we kinda really knew where her heart is, and it ain’t with dead innocent Jews.

We had no trouble anticipating how Tlaib, Omar, AOC – and the other fools who make up the ridiculous Squad – would react to Hamas atrocities. Nor did we expect neocons – of a GOP stripe – to respond in any other way than calling for war.

Mind you, the Israelis have never asked the U.S. to fight it’s wars. They’ve asked for the means to fight, which we’ve gladly provided, but not for American boots on the ground. The military industrial complex isn’t complaining. Arms sales are profit. Israel eviscerating Hamas is a good and necessary thing, no question. American support is a plus.

But arm sales or not, neocons want in on the action. That would be young Americans dying in a conflict somewhere. Since Iran backs Hamas – financially, with weapons, and training – they’re focusing on warring with Iran.

The biggest mouth among the neocons – South Carolina Republican senator Lindsey Graham – wants war with Iran; he’s blustering about it a lot. War – any war, anywhere – is his default position, actually. Rev up the tanks and let the missiles fly, be that toward Russia, China, Iran, or fill in the blank. Graham is open to suggestions.

Not getting a major war with Russia – to date, anyway – has frustrated neocons in both parties. Hillary Clinton and Democrats have had a weird Russia obsession for nearly a decade. The sinister Russians have been the cause of everything bad in the Democrats universe, they bleat incessantly. The reptilian Hillary lost the presidency in 2016 because Donald Trump colluded with Vlad Putin. Yeah, and aliens want to abduct Bill and Hillary. Maybe little green men are conspiring with Putin, too?

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